Introduction
One of the most important functions of Kilkenny Local Authorities is the making of Development Plans for the City and County. Kilkenny Local Authorities officially start the preparation of new Development Plans for the County and City on the 15th June 2012. The next County and City Development Plans will provide for the future planning and sustainable development of Kilkenny up to 2020.
This Issues Paper is the first step in the preparation of a new Plan. The process of making a Development Plan is set out below.
At this stage, we need to hear from you!
The Development Plan can help to create a more inclusive, attractive, competitive and safe city and county. The success of the next Kilkenny City and County Development Plans depends on your active participation.
Kilkenny is Your County and we want you to have Your Say.
John McCormack
Director of Services, Planning
Comments
Wolfe Tone Street
Submissions my foot , What changes have been made that have been influenced by submissions . I made submissions about the changes to the Johns Green and was just dismissed with excuses. There should be an independent body to view and judge the merits of any submission or complaint to the co co's. I asked for,... a pedestrian crossing at the vegetable shop---dismissed,... a ramp to slow down speeding traffic we are subjected to especially from taxis, (I have had two cars written off outside my door ) , ---dismissed ,(ambulance freeway ) .
Looking at the drawings ,I asked for a wider footpath from old tax office to Barrack St., bridge , and for car parking to be changed to lengthways parking beside the footpath . --- dismissed as that it was wide enough. Now when vans reverse up to path, one can barely walk behind it, is this not incompetence ? No one listens to us , Do they ever admit to getting it wrong ? Do the original architects survey these submissions ? If so , they should not . It should be by an external unbiased party with no connection social or personal connections to the original planners.
When my elderly neighbours in their nineties walk up the street now , they get to the end of our dangerous footpath at the entrance to the big car park and are faced with a 9" step when they cross over. We still have traffic signs in concrete barrels, We still have traffic turning in at the centra shop at the vegetable shop which is supposed to be exit only , because of incompetent signage and road layout . traffic arriving at the Johns green end of Wolfe Tone St., often still don't know where to go . I have said this to those responsible in city hall and was told "we checked that , it's fine . But every day I am on that street and see confused people there not knowing where to go .Many times as a motorcyclist I have come around O'Gormans corner and met oncoming traffic in the one way stretch, once having a very narrow escape from a serious crash and injury or death. [sentence removed by admin - inappropriate content].. Even a broken white line in the centre of the road would show drivers the course of the road? .[sentence removed by admin - inappropriate content].
Then we have the inner "RELIEF" road ??? Are you all wearing EAR MUFFS up there ?? Can you not hear the people of Kilkenny ? . WE don't want a bridge or new road there in Wolfe Tone St.,. so stop wasting our money on your pet projects. and finish the ring road with a bridge somewhere on the bleach road. When are you going to publish the returns from on street parking and fines that you imposed on us against our wishes ?
When are you going to move the traffic offices to Maudlin St and away from the ridiculous aspect of having to park in Market yard and traverse up to city hall to do business , (of course you get more money from parking from us , was this a pre conceived idea ? . .
Why, when I cannot get parking in my street, must I pay to park in the next street ? Why do we not have resident parking only, in our street [sentence removed by admin - inappropriate content]. When you brought in street parking charges you effectively narrowed the streets where in some places cars can’t pass each other, You put parking bays where there should be double yellow lines. Pure Greed. Where does that money go.
Why did the Co. co. not buy the Renehan house at the dangerous, and difficult to manoeuvre corner of Greensbridge that was for sale for ages for a pittance. They could have bought and demolished this and opened up the view at this difficult spot., but it seems no one had the foresight , gumption, or common sense to see it.
As a fisherman I am sometimes under Greensbridge and I rang the Borough council last summer to tell of all the broken blue corrugated piping that was broken and hanging down underneath the Greensbridge footpath (whatever it’s purpose was it’s not serving it now) and the seriously rusted piping and girders that I said I’d imagine might need inspecting but it is still the same. I have never since even been asked about it. I expect it was just dismissed and rubbished.
Response to Wolfe Tone Street
We'd like to thank you for engaging in the process and for your post. The purpose of this website is to influence the formulation of policy and to encourage discussion on the future direction and development of the city and county. We do not have the capacity to deal with operational matters of the local authorities or the process around historical developments on this site. Therefore, this website is not the appropriate forum to discuss some of your comments, as they lie outside of the scope of the Development Plans (and this site), but we have tried to address your points as we see them below:
1. Your first comment relates to developments by the Borough Council at John’s Green. This process of approval, which was carried out in 2011, included for public consultation. All submissions received would have been taken into consideration before a final recommendation was made in the subsequent Manager’s report. In this situation the Manager’s report goes to the elected members for approval on the recommendation of the technical staff.
2. The Inner Relief Road, or Central Access Scheme, was subject to extensive public consultation. This development, because of the criteria set down, was an application that was decided by An Bord Pleanála on 12/12/2011 under the Strategic Infrastructure Act. An Bord Pleanála is an independent body. This scheme serves as an example as to how a policy within a Development Plan can come to fruition, as a policy for this scheme was included in a Development Plan in the 1980s (to construct an inner relief road and bridge to improve traffic conditions in the city). By getting involved in the Development plan process, and amending existing policies, citizens can influence the way our city grows into the future.
3. In relation to the parking matter; parking in the city is within the remit of the Borough Council and not the County Council. The Borough Council Offices are located on High Street and therefore all administrative matters are dealt with there.
4. Revenue raised from on-street parking fees is allocated to the maintenance of car parks, provision of smarter travel infrastructure and maintenance and improvement of the public realm.
5. Traffic issues around Greens bridge were addressed in the design of the Central Access Scheme. You could propose this as a potential solution to the problems you identify as part of the Development Plan for Kilkenny City.
6. Regarding piping at Greens bridge, we have forwarded your concern to the relevant technical staff in the Borough Council. Though this website is not the forum for reporting maintenance issues Kilkenny Local Authorities are rolling out an application called “fixmystreet’ this year which will allow the public to easily report public maintenance issues to the relevant personnel within the Local Authority.
Thank you for that reply ,
Thank you for that reply , God , what to make of it .
This is not our dept.
The borough council is onHigh St. . ? ...I live here . I know that.
On the top of this page it says ; The councils of the county and city of Kilkenny .Kilkeny city and enviorns development plan .
IT SEEMS TO BE A WASTE OF MY TIME WRITING HERE , IT'S ALL PASSING THE BUCK.
Jobs for the boys
I recieved a letter from you today and when I went to look at it was told "access denied " ??? ......right !!
Who deleted part of my letter ?
Response to Thank you for that reply
This website is intended as a collaborative forum for the making of the Development Plans. Not all of your comments (posted on the 28th May 2012) were related to Development Plan issues, but the response set out the factual position to all the issues raised.
Unfortunately, this link was broken. The link has now been rectified, and if you click on the link again: https://ourplan.kilkenny.ie/archive/sites/default/files/files/Pre-draft%20Managers%20Report%201_11_12.pdf you will be able to read the Manager’s Report on the Pre-draft Consultation process.
All comments on the site are moderated in line with our Moderation Policy, which is available here: https://ourplan.kilkenny.ie/archive/moderation_policy
Residential estates
Will residential areas be included in your development plans?????
Response to Residential estates
Apologies for the delayed response; yes, guidelines and standards for new residential development, and for expansion/extensions in existing residential areas will from part of the plans.
Thanks for the reply creilly,
Thanks for the reply creilly, what do we as a residents association need to do now?
Response to residents association
To get involved in the development plans, the best idea is to come along to one of our public meetings, the first of which is on Tuesday 19th June. And/or, you or your organisation may decide to make a submission to the process. If you have a specific query about your area, please feel free to contact the County Council Planning section at 7794010 or the Borough Council at 7794534.
Brewery Site Suggestions
The significance of the opportunity with which we are presented in acquiring the Brewery site cannot be underestimated. We have the chance to facilitate a key development which can decisively shape the future of Kilkenny City and its hinterland. We need to be bold, ambitious and resolute in the pursuit of the best solution for our City.
In considering the future of the Brewery site, we need to be brutally honest about what we don’t need in our city: more shopping centres, a mish-mash of visitor centres/retail/commercial units/apartments etc. We have a 14 acre site that needs to be developed in a unified, cohesive fashion in the best interests of the city, not private development. We need a means of attracting large numbers of people to Kilkenny and keeping them here for a sustained period in a sustainable way.
The establishment of a University in Kilkenny has been one of the city’s great ‘what ifs?’ since the 17th century. We are now presented with a once in a lifetime opportunity to make it a reality. There are several options as to how to proceed, depending on resources and aspiration.
Firstly, let’s be ambitious and consider developing the best possible University campus we can, as an autonomous institution rather than as an adjunct to WIT or a future ‘University of the South East.’ Recognising that current economic realities prohibit its establishment exclusively from public funds, a more realisable alternative would be to do so under the auspices of an established (and wealthy) foreign University.
Many (particularly US Universities) have relationships with European universities for the purposes of expanding their student offering, concentrating expertise and providing a focal point for the University’s work into Europe. Boston College, Lynn University and Champlain College have campuses in Dublin. Mercyhurst has recently opened a campus in Dungarvan. I suggest that an obvious partnership for Kilkenny’s third level college should be University of California Berkeley, named after Kilkenny’s Bishop George Berkeley.
Established in 1868, Berkeley is one of America’s largest and most prestigious Universities, with a student population of over 35,000, one third of which are postgraduate. Berkeley offers more than 7,000 courses in over 350 degree programmes. Berkeley produces more PhDs than any other US University and in 2009 attracted almost €650 million in research funding alone. At present, Berkeley’s overseas commitments are restricted to participation in a distributed Education Abroad Programme in which 150 courses are offered at centres in 35 countries, including Ireland. The programme is administered centrally for all students of the wider University of California.
We should approach potential partner Universities with an ambitious proposal reflective of the value and importance of the site. Ideally, we’d like a multi-faculty, stand alone University that either builds on the city’s unique heritage and recognises the centrality of Kilkenny in philosophical, ecclesiastical, political, architectural and literary history, in Arts, Humanities, Crafts and Sport, and/or focuses on the future.
We could tailor our offering to the realities of the global marketplace and their future development, leaving to Ireland’s existing Universities the more traditional disciplines. Few would argue that a new approach to finance, banking and business is overdue and should be foremost in any new college’s prospectus. Environmental science will become ever more central to all aspects of domestic and commercial life, particularly in the field of renewable energy.
In terms of language skills, Chinese, Arabic and Russian are likely to be more useful than the European languages going forward. Our agricultural heritage provides a rich background for pursuing excellence in agri-science. The pharma/bioscience hub in the South East would benefit greatly from a university supplying top quality graduates, securing employment into the future.
We have a world-class animation studio in Kilkenny and a pioneering youth film school upon which to build a media arts faculty which focuses on animation, games development and online content production taking cognisance of the trends already underway in the global media marketplace and which will be key sectors for the Irish economy in the medium to long term. No modern University can underestimate the centrality of ICT both to economic recovery now and security of employment into the future. The site itself, having already served 400 years as a brewery, provides an unrivalled location for a microbiology/brewing department.
Subject to funding/resource constraints, it might be possible to pursue partnership initiatives more conservatively, if required. There are two potential approaches:
A third possibility would be to independently establish the St. Francis Abbey International Academy of brewing offering both short courses for interested amateurs in craft brewing to professional degree, graduate and Master Brewer programmes. The Siebel Institute of Technology (US) offers similar programmes at its centres in Chicago, Montreal and Berlin.
I think it’s crucial to emphasise the need to recognise the importance and integrity of the site and the significance of the opportunity with which we are presented. If we get this right, the benefits to the local economy are both manifold and sustainable: employment for our citizens, customers for our businesses (crucially, outside of the Summer tourist season), renters for our properties, and a renewed vibrancy and dynamism in the heart of our city.
Response to Brewery site suggestions
We thank you for taking the time and effort in posting your comments on our site. It is interesting to see that the idea for a university for the site has come through very strongly from other sources during this consultation exercise.
We’d like to open up a wider discussion on this topic and would welcome responses from anyone to the following points:
Brewery Site
While I advocate the primary use of the site for the development of a third level institution, there are many complementary activities which could benefit from co-location and cooperative thinking. An incubation centre for ICT start-ups, providing office/lab accommodation and on-site mentoring, could both benefit and benefit from sharing space and resources with a University. Similarly, renewable energy projects, rural development enterprises and cultural initiatives could lease space from the University and collaborate across a broad range of activities to their mutual benefit.
If we were to pursue the establishment of a Kilkenny campus of a foreign University either as a stand alone campus or niche college, it is likely that dorm accommodation for students would be an additional attraction/requirement. The accommodation could be leased to visiting tourists during college holiday periods. Recreational spaces, open to all, should also form a central part of the plan.
What do others think of these suggestions for the brewery site?
Thank you for your comment. We are trying to encourage continued debate by prioritising this as our featured thread, see https://ourplan.kilkenny.ie/archive/featured-content
What do other people think of these suggestions?
Brewery Site - Velodrome
Kilkenny international cycle velodrome. Could this be part of the Smithwicks site redevelopment?sounds far fetched, however cycling is becoming an ever increasing past time and sport for many people consider that eight thousand people took part in the Sean Kelly sportive last year and nine thousand participated in the ring of Kerry cycle also Ireland has had international success at the highest levels of cycling including winning the Tour De France.
In 1994 the UK opened the Manchester international Velodrome and cycling centre that has had huge success in developing cycling in the UK and now puts Manchester on the map as one of the cycling capitals of the world resulting in nine gold medals at the Beijing Olympics and the base for the very fine Team Sky cycling team. Large numbers of Irish cyclists travel to Manchester to train and compete and meet with professional coaches on a regular basis.
So i’m wondering could the bottling hall in Smithwicks brewery be developed into a modern and iconic structure that would be big enough to facilitate a 250 meter Olympic standard indoor cycling track including spectator seating, built to the highest standards with private and state finance as part of a varied use development that would cater for may other sports and events in the in-track area such as badminton, tennis. boxing etc. live shows, also basketball could make a return to the brewery! there could be a full-time sports science element to this idea including coaching, sports nutrition, that would be part of any university campus that is proposed for the city. Geographically Kilkenny is in between two of the largest cites in Ireland both reachable by motorway and is surrounded by some of the most cycle passionate counties in Ireland.
There have been plans to build a velodrome in other Irish towns for a number of years now it appears to my that the race is now on Kilkenny could win and become the centre for cycling in Ireland attracting people from home and abroad for national and international events with all the benefits to the local community. People say Kilkenny has a unique opportunity to build something the will help define the city maybe this idea is not so far fetched as it first seems, to bring sport to the heart of the city.
Response to Brewery site - Velodrome
Thank you for your suggestions. We have moved this comment to our Featured Thread on the brewery site as a discussion on this topic is taking place here. Does anyone else have other ideas for the brewery site? Or do you agree with or have any comment on any of the previous suggestions above?
Bikes
The decision by Dublin to ramp up the Dublin Bikes scheme is a wonderful development, and sets a marker for Kilkenny for this development plan. It may not be possible to have a bike scheme as such in Kilkenny city - though I note that the Newpark Hotel has two distinctive looking bikes available for guests, and it could be possible to have a trial with a few bikes which would be accessible by either a creditcard swipe or PIN or some such security feature so that the 'borrower' is identified. However Dublin is making a loud statement that bikes are a major part of their plan for mobility, and with the street signs proclaiming 'smarter travel', Kilkenny must respond appropriately. With the coming of the new pedestrian bridge at Bateman / Johns Quay the possibility will exist to create an off road cycle path link using the linear park etc., and safe cycle routes to schools, if possible off-road, must be a priority
TPOs
Where can one see a list of Tree Preservation Orders in the present County Development Plan 2008-14? The TPOs in the city are listed at Appendix F of the city plan but I cannot find the location of TPO list for the county, and the search tab brings up only much older (and very few) TPOs.
Many thanks in anticipation.
Response to TPOs (Tree Preservation Orders)
The list of Tree Preservation Orders for the County is contained in Table 8.3, Chapter 8, Heritage of the County Development Plan 2008-2014, see this link: https://ourplan.kilkenny.ie/archive/node/47
The trees listed in Appendix F of the City & Environs Plan are identified as ‘Trees worthy of Preservation’, but these are not subject to TPOs. Policies are included in Chapter 7, Heritage, of the City Development Plan for their protection, see Policy H85 https://ourplan.kilkenny.ie/archive/node/35
Corn mill
PROPOSAL.
To grasp the opportunity offered to feature corn milling which operated on the site for centuries.
To erect a simple medieval corn mill.
If this cannot be done immediately the necessary plot of land should be preserved and feature the surviving mill race with a history given on storyboards.
Milling of grain was the most important manufacturing activity in the city from its very foundation.
In the continuing work to preserve and present the medieval city its manufacturing past has been largely ignored. Little has been preserved of mills, forges, tanning, textiles, malting or brewing.
There is now an opportunity to record this activity.
A mill would add to the the interest of the proposed ‘medieval mile’.
HISTORY
There still exists across the brewery site a water course, largely subterranean, which was previously a mill race, serving a water wheel powered corn mill on the site.
The water comes from the river Bregagh and discharges into the river Nore. Its course is depicted on maps from 1758.
It is believed that the mill was originally called the Town Mill.
In 1425 the Earl of Ormond made a grant of a water mill described as ‘le towyn myle’.
By 1537 it had acquired the name Jenkin’s mill, from a tenant’s name, possibly Jenkin Roth who was the town Sovereign in 1473.
That name continued in use down to 1830. At about that date it became part of the brewery holding and lost its identity as an independent mill though it continued in use under the Smithwicks.
The water wheel was removed in living memory and its exact location can be pointed out by the Smithwick family and ex-brewery employees.
The water wheel has been preserved on a private estate.
Brewery Site- New campus for National College of Art & Design
A great thing about the Brewery site is that it is big enough to accommodate a number of the proposals here and elsewhere. Having said that, the site offers a huge opportunity for the city and county to address a serious gap in its life and infrastructure- a 3rd-level college. There is a presence in Kilkenny from NUI Maynooth in St. Kieran’s College- and that's to be welcomed in providing an opportunity for local study in a limited range of humanity-based subjects. There is also the welcome proposal that WIT will base some of its innovation-focused modules in the same St Kieran’s building. But while not diminishing the existing and proposed initiatives, it has to be stated plainly that a second campus, is always a ‘second campus’! The main campus gets the attention, prestige projects and attention.
Kilkenny needs a 3rd-level institution that fits with its existing brand in ‘craft-art-design’ and offers to push that on to another level. We need an art and design focused college. In the same way as the creation of Kilkenny Design Workshops in 1965 gave Kilkenny an advantage in craft that it has not lost to this day; a college of art and design would build on that tradition and move the city to another level in terms of developing a creative centre for the county. The Brewery site offers a perfect site for such an initiative.
The National College of Art and Design (NCAD) on the other hand is spread among a number of sites throughout Dublin City. There, the NCAD is very much a ‘small fish in a big pond’ contending with Trinity, UCD, DCU and DIT for profile. In Kilkenny NCAD would be the big fish in a small pond. Furthermore they could help design the pond to their taste. Kilkenny is popular with young people and creative. The Brewery’s riverside setting allows for a great deal of imagination in how you could physically design the campus to link the contemporary, medieval and future aspects of the town together.
The student life that a college would bring would not just help to occupy vacant houses and apartments in the City and county- or enliven the social life of the city- particularly at the ‘west end’ but there will be an inevitable cross-fertilisation with other strengths of non-fine arts in Kilkenny- animation, music, etc. An additional benefit would be to increase the numbers of students using the train and bus services to Dublin and elsewhere. Most arts student will use public transport and with Dublin having the lion’s share to the population, traffic on the train and bus would do much to ensure that the County’s public transport system was secured from cuts in provision.
If we are serious about making Kilkenny a ‘Creative Hub’, the best way to do that is by attracting a critical mass of creative people and facilitate their mixing in a place sympathetic to that creativity, and let them at it! Good stuff will emerge and Kilkenny will benefit. There may be some issues in that most of the major art galleries are based in Dublin, but I don’t see that as being a serious argument against all the benefits that I’ve mentioned. So let’s take the plunge and ask the NCAD on their plans and interests. We may never have a better chance….
Whatever goes into the
Whatever goes into the Brewery site I hope it conserves the skyline as it used to be, before the towering monstrosities that were built in and around the brewery and St. Francis abbey. Those towering eyesores went up without a blink from the city "fathers"( probably because of the jobs created). Planners seemed to give the brewery free gratis to build what they liked ., It resembles somewhere in Pakistan. Medieval city my eye, an awful eyesore.
Response to "Whatever goes into Brewery site"
Thank you for engaging in the process. As the submissions period has closed for the pre-draft stage, this comment will be included in the Draft stage of the Plans. The Development Plan will include broad guiding principles for the approach to the site, which may include limits on building heights/scale etc. There has been a significant level of interest in the future of this site, which will inform the content of the Draft Plan. There will be a further opportunity to comment when the Draft Development Plan goes on public display next year.
Manager's Report Now
Manager's Report Now Available
Pre-draft Manager's Report
When I tried to look at this , I was told "Access denied" ...Why is this ?
Response to Manager's Report Now
Unfortunately, this link was broken. The link has now been rectified, and if you click on the link again: https://ourplan.kilkenny.ie/archive/sites/default/files/files/Pre-draft%20Managers%20Report%201_11_12.pdf you will be able to see the Manager’s Report on the Pre-draft Consultation process.
St. Johns green layout and submissions.
The layout of St. Johns Green is disastrous. In the early stages we in Wolfe Tone Street were invited to look at the plans, and to submit submissions with regards to this. I for one did so, and was basically ignored and fobbed off .
I pointed out that the footpath from Wolfe Tone Street to Barrack street was too narrow, that two pushchairs couldn't pass each other on it, that they should be widened and traffic should be parked alongside the path.
I was later told they were adequate.
Now every time I pass by there's a truck or big car reversed in, back wheel to the kerb , and sometimes not enough room for a pedestrian to get by at the rear of it , Who is responsible for this . [sentence removed by admin - Inappropriate content].
I suggested a pedestrian crossing at the vegetable shop and was told NO.
I suggested a ramp for Wolfe Tone St., to slow speeding traffic that we've had for years .
I was told NO , cannot have one, as " Wolfe Tone Street" is an Ambulance freeway........
What have they done ? ..but built a HIGH RAMP outside the vegetable shop with a crossing on top of it ..…….. Ambulance freeway ? ? ?
The acute corner from W.T.St., is an accident waiting to happen . THE GREED of the borough council for parking income is disgraceful When one turns at this NOW dangerous spot , one is confronted with ;
(a) Meeting oncoming traffic on a narrow roadway at a 90 degree corner
Vehicles reversing out from;
(b) the left hand side ,
(c) the right hand side
(d) Traffic approaching from John St., and the €2 car park.
Two trucks have difficulty passing each other here ,with one often having to reverse,
Approaching Wolfe Tone from Barrack St., you no longer have the right of way , and if you see the "stop " sign which is way too high , and if you can see through the traffic parked in the commercial loading bay to your left , and yield to traffic coming from your right , and from the car park in front of you ,.... then you can cross.
This system has to be changed. ;
As we turn left at the top of Wolfe Tone street , car parking on left hand side , by old Tax offices wall, should be lengthways, and the path widened .
On the right hand side as you turn the parking must be completely removed and the roadway widened to encompass all this space.
If this is not the right place to put this letter , would one of you, who would tell me it's not the relevant dept. or site , and who is more pc literate , please do me a favour and copy and paste to where it might be seen, or forward it there . Thank you .
St. John's Green
Parking is more difficult now with the recent changes.
The acute corner is an accident waiting to happen.
Response to St. John's Green
This comment relates to the revised layout implemented by the Borough Council at John’s Green in 2012. The objective of this project was to improve accessibility in the area, especially for pedestrians and also to provide safer driving conditions. The area had suffered from haphazard parking (particularly commercial vehicles) and the exit was blocked on a regular basis. The area was poorly defined which led to inconsiderate and unsafe driving behaviour. Consequently the design included for additional wider footpaths, accessible crossing points, relocation of street lighting and properly designed facilities for commercial activity. All works comply with the Building Regulations.
This is now a properly designed urban space with provision made for all users of the space. Provision has been made for taxis, those with mobility impairment, parking for parents and children, commercial parking, pedestrians, wider paths at the shop and Post Office which facilitates commercial operations and improved linkages toJohn Street
This is a now very low speed environment and the standards of visibility required are greatly reduced.
The purpose of this website is to influence the formulation of policy and to encourage discussion on the future direction and development of the city and county. If you have any suggestions for policy changes in relation to parking in the city in general, please feel free to post your suggestions here.
Once again you show your
Once again you show your arrogance in your reply . You state "This is now a properly designed urban space" . You state this as it is a matter of fact. This is a farce of a set up where you answer comments with the authority of your own law, . You twist everything to suit your own position . St. Johns green is not a properly designed urban space , it is a disaster .It IS a disaster waiting to happen You should stop clapping yourselves on the back and get it right and use your own money to do it. It seems to me, you invite submissions , just to go through the motions , and throw them in the bin .
Response to Once again
Dear Kilkennyman,
The purpose of this website is to influence the formulation of policy and to encourage discussion on the future direction and development of the city and county, it is not the appropriate forum to make comments on the John’s Green scheme. In your last comment you raised issues in relation to the design of the scheme and a detailed reply was posted on this site. The process of approval for any scheme carried out by a Local Authority within its administrative area is known as a Part 8 process. The John’s Green Part 8 process was carried out in 2011. This process includes for public consultation and all submissions received under Part 8 must be taken into account before a decision is made. The requirements for all Part 8 processes are set out in legislation. If you have any suggestions as to how the operation of the Part 8 process could be improved then we would welcome that. Any such suggestion will be considered in the context of trying to improve the process for all concerned.
We appreciate all comments regarding the formulation of policy for the Development Plans. All relevant comments received on the site between now and the end of the public consultation period of the Draft Plan, will be collated into a Manager’s Report on the Draft Plans, similar to that report which was published on the pre-draft process, see here. Section 3.3. of this report detailed the response to all relevant comments made on the site, and noted how they will be addressed in the Draft Plans. All submissions received to the Development Plan are considered, firstly by the staff, then by the Councillors, and the Manager’s Report details this consideration.
Response to St. John's Green
These comments relate to developments carried out by the Borough Council at John’s Green. The process of approval, which was carried out in 2011, included for public consultation. All submissions received would have been taken into consideration before a final recommendation was made in the subsequent Manager’s report. In this situation the Manager’s report goes to the elected members for approval on the recommendation of the technical staff.
As the purpose of this website is to influence the formulation of policy and to encourage discussion on the future direction and development of the city and county, it is not the appropriate forum to make comments on the John’s Green scheme, but as requested, we have passed your comments on to the Borough Council.